77: Understanding your relationship with money with Alara Sage

Rosie (00:43)

Welcome back to the Pursuit of Freedom podcast. Joining us today is the amazing Alara Sage. Alara went from having all of her money stolen and watching her six figure business collapse all within the space of six months. And from that.

She went to learning how to embody wealth and today she helps entrepreneurs embrace wealth consciousness through subconscious reprogramming, breath work and an understanding of quantum mechanics. I'm so excited to talk about money. We haven't had a guest on to talk about this yet. So, Alara, welcome and thank you for being here.

Alara Sage (01:20)

Yay, I'm excited to be here Rosie, thank you so much.

Rosie (01:25)

Of course, I would love to start by going back a little bit. Like what was your relationship with money like? I'm guessing it was quite different to what it is today. So can you take us on a journey?

Alara Sage (01:38)

Yes. So before then my money was stolen. I had money. I was creating successfully in my business and you know, I am very intuitive. I'm very connected to my limiting beliefs. The truth was is I knew I knew what my relationship to money was, but I had money. So, you know, why fix something that's not broken?

Rosie (01:43)

Yeah.

Mm-mm.

Alara Sage (02:04)

Really, the truth of it was is I was scared to face how I really felt about money.

Rosie (02:12)

you

Alara Sage (02:13)

Which is why the experience was so powerful for me because it was that slap that I needed. I needed to face the underlying beliefs that I had around money, the relationship that I had around money. And you know, those beliefs were I had a spiritual mentorship business as I as I do now. I worked with entrepreneurs, you know, that for one,

We're not allowed to have money, right? Like if you're if you have any alignment any alignment whatsoever to spirituality, well, you should not be focused on money. And I have a lot in my astrological chart, my human design. have a lot around luxury around wealth like this is who I am. I'm here to shepherd in wealth. So I had this push-pull between my inner intuition saying no, you're supposed to

Rosie (02:45)

Mmm.

Alara Sage (03:09)

you know, really bring wealth into your space and this conditioning of, well, if you focus anything at all on money, that means you're greedy, you're selfish. How is that spiritual?

And so that push-pull was really one of those cornerstones of my experience.

Rosie (03:29)

relationship with money can be so dysfunctional, can't it? I really resonated when you were saying you can't possibly be spiritual and have money or want that wealth. That is such a widely held belief. It's like, no, money's evil.

Where do you think that belief came from? Because it's pretty universal.

Alara Sage (03:52)

Yeah, I mean, I even remember seeing somebody stand on the side of the road holding a sign. Money is the root of all evil. I mean, that's a phrase that we have heard. And where does this come from? Well, so in this process that I went through, I came to a really deep understanding of, know, our core limiting belief that causes all of human suffering is a fundamental belief that we are separate from creation, spirit.

God, whatever you want to call it, source. From that fundamental singular belief, there are three core beliefs. And those beliefs are power, personal power, money, wealth, and sex.

Those are very triggering conversations. Those are all taboo conversations. And why is this? Why are these conversations taboo? Because they're all correlating to our personal power, our ability to really tap into the creative life force energy that is in everything, channel that energy through our life, and create our life with that energy.

Rosie (04:41)

true.

Alara Sage (05:05)

You know, we haven't been in an environment, a society where self-empowerment has been nurtured. It's quite the opposite.

So a lot of these beliefs have been there to suppress and oppress.

Rosie (05:23)

So how do we overcome that? What's the secret here?

Alara Sage (05:25)

That's a big yeah, just

where is the secret sauce? Where's that pill? Where is that? You know, the first step is always awareness. Always the willingness to look at your belief structures. I recommend looking at all three of those topics. What are your belief structures around power, right? And what are your belief structures around you being in your personal power?

Rosie (05:32)

Hmm.

Alara Sage (05:48)

What are your, what do you feel? What are your perspectives when you see other people in power? What do you feel when you see other people quote unquote in power that are forceful, domineering, aggressive, right? These will all show you deep underlying belief structures around power. And then it's the same with money. What do you believe about yourself having lots of money? What do you believe about other people having lots of money, whether they're greedy or giving, right?

Rosie (05:53)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Alara Sage (06:17)

What do you

believe about those greedy people? What do you believe about the people who have lots of money who are very generous? What do you believe about people who have no money, right? Who are homeless, who are suffering. And with the sexual energy, it's very similar. What do you believe about sex, about your own sexual power, your own sexual liberation? How does sex feel for you? How do you feel when the conversation's brought up? How do you feel when

Rosie (06:24)

Mm-hmm.

Alara Sage (06:43)

You know, you're in the act of sex and you're wanting to communicate your needs and your desires. Do you have a very healthy relationship with sex or not? addressing all of these three and you can contemplate this journal about this, you will come to a profound realization of some core fundamental relationship issues essentially is what it is.

Rosie (06:59)

Hmm.

And I don't think many of us take the time to question these things, what our thoughts are around power, money, sex. When do we stop and think about that for the average person? I think a lot of us don't. We just take on what society has taught us or the people around us have taught us to believe. And unfortunately, there's a lot of negativity and taboo and shame surrounding that.

But before we keep doing a deep dive there, I really want you to share the story of how your money was what happened?

Alara Sage (07:42)

So it's multi-layered from my perspective. Actually, everything I experience is multi-layered. I can see multiple different layers of how divine will orchestrates certain experiences. So I'll do my best to express it.

I was told it was going to happen. So I was in meditation and it was actually right after a profound communion with God. I had gone through about a month and a half where the presence of, you know, that word was very challenging for me at the time because it had such religious connotation that I had.

Rosie (08:21)

Hmm.

Alara Sage (08:22)

trouble saying what

is this, but God was really the only word that would resonate with the presence I was feeling. And I experienced this level of disillusion where I really all of a sudden through this communion with God had no desires for anything. You know, that's what happens when we fully dissolve our ego, you know, quote unquote dissolves, dies, et cetera. You

Rosie (08:30)

Mm-hmm.

Alara Sage (08:48)

don't have desire, you're merging back in fully with source. So it was a very interesting period of my life where I just was felt just immense love and presence and bliss and these very high vibrational energies, but I could have just sat there for the rest of my life and never done anything. I knew that wasn't going to happen. I was told it was just short term. So I started coming out of it. I just find that's an interesting aspect to it. I'm not really sure how it connects.

Rosie (09:06)

Right. Yeah.

Alara Sage (09:16)

And I was sitting in meditation not that long after that, and I was told that I had a karmic debt. So I want to be clear with this statement that karmic debt does not need, it's not an eye for an eye necessarily. Karma is beautifully simplistic and complex simultaneously. I just want to make sure the audience knows that. But I was asked if I wanted to fill it. It was a monetary karmic and I said yes.

Rosie (09:24)

Mmm.

Alara Sage (09:42)

And honestly, you know, I mean, I believe very much in these messages and everything that I've received for years because this is my life. I live this way. And simultaneously, I didn't know how it was going to happen or, you know, I didn't necessarily know that would be all one go. You know, it's just kind of this ignorance is bliss type thing. And it was about a week later and it was very weird that it happened. It happened through.

Rosie (09:51)

Hmm.

Yeah.

Alara Sage (10:09)

cryptocurrency, a friend had recommended a mentor. This was a mentor he'd been working with for a while. And this person was schooling me and completely scammed me and then deleted all the evidence. I didn't realize at the time.

Rosie (10:14)

Mmm.

Mmm.

Alara Sage (10:27)

all of our conversations were on Telegram, I didn't realize that everything, that you could delete things in Telegram and there was no... But it was very interesting because while it was happening...

Rosie (10:33)

Mmm.

Alara Sage (10:38)

There was almost as if like a sheet was pulled over my eyes. I, you know, I was kind of embarrassed about it for a while because I can spot scams. You know, usually I'm like, that's a scam. That's a scam. Like it didn't feel that way, you know, and there was this specific energy that kind of came in and I was, it was almost like I was out of my body.

Rosie (10:49)

Mm-hmm.

Hmm.

Alara Sage (11:02)

And I've had another experience where somebody came in, this was on LinkedIn, and started messaging me and that same energy started coming in. And I immediately was like, yeah, I'm blocking this. So it was part of my experience. It was meant to happen. I don't hold any resentment or anything towards that person. But that's how it happened.

Rosie (11:14)

Mmm.

Whoa, now you just said you don't hold any resentment towards that person. It would be very easy to be angry at the world, at this person and be very resentful. Like no one wants to lose that amount of money. So how did you get to that place? Like I'm assuming there was a bit of anger at least and feeling of betrayal and shame at the beginning. So how did you get to this place of not being resentful?

Alara Sage (11:56)

There really wasn't because I was told it was going to happen. I mean, really, was just like, that's how it happened. And there was a little bit of surprise with myself around the whole scam thing. So I had to work a little bit to make sure that I wasn't going to take on any shame. There was definitely fear initially. But you know.

Rosie (12:00)

you

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Hmm.

Alara Sage (12:21)

I've always been able to create

what I desire. Like that's never been an issue for me. So I'll be honest. I was a little bit arrogant. was like, piece of cake. I'll just create it all over again.

Rosie (12:31)

Yeah, right.

Wow, I love that confidence. So what happened after losing all that money, after being scammed? shit.

Alara Sage (12:38)

I didn't create it all over again. You

know, the opposite happened. My business collapsed and I went into the red. I went into debt the first time in my life. And, you know, it took a little while for it for me to say, okay, wait a second here. Because because, you know, I've always had a level of confidence and and just this, no, I've got this and no, no, I've still got this. You know, meanwhile, it's it's

falling out from it. No, I've got this. I've got this. Okay, no, I'll just borrow some money. got this. You know, like, wait a second. Wait, I don't have this. What is going on here?

Rosie (13:15)

Mmm. So what was going on?

Alara Sage (13:18)

those limiting beliefs, you know, I had created my business, all of it was on this very shaky foundation of not really believing in my worth, in my, you know, true value, not having a healthy relationship with money. had an avoidance. I speak a lot about the attachment styles that we speak to in relationships as attachment styles to money.

Rosie (13:25)

Mmm.

Hmm.

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Alara Sage (13:46)

I had avoidant attachment.

I didn't want to look at it. I didn't want to really care. I didn't want to see what the true numbers were about. And, you know, my life's work is about embodying wealth. So if I wasn't going to take those measures for myself, divine will was going to step in and make sure that I addressed what needed to be addressed.

Rosie (13:52)

Mm.

Mm.

Yeah. I love that you brought in attachment styles to money. I haven't heard anybody talk about it in that way. Could you unpack that a bit? Like for people who aren't even familiar with attachment styles in terms of the traditional way we know about it in relationships, can you give us a bit of a high level? What are these attachment styles? And even you mentioned your attachment style with money is avoidant. So maybe what that means.

Alara Sage (14:34)

Yeah, absolutely. there's I don't know the the full on like attachment styles and relationship. I think there's just the anxiety the avoidance and the secure but what I see and what I was taught by higher self and what I see is we have various different kinds and really we have more than one so codependency on money is where you are.

Rosie (14:40)

No.

Mmm.

Alara Sage (14:56)

seeking that money fills the hole of your true sense of security, right? So once I have the money, I'll be secure. Once I have the money, I'll be free. Once I have the money, I'll give myself permission. Once I have the money, that's that codependency, giving your power away to money instead of claiming those frequencies, those states of beings within yourself.

Rosie (15:07)

huh.

Alara Sage (15:23)

regardless of whether you have money or not. So that's the codependency. The anxious attachment is, you know, where we are like looking at our bank account and it's just, just doesn't feel like there's enough, right? Like, we just got to have some more. And there's this anxiety of like, got to get more, whether we have money or not. mean, people with lots of wealth can have anxious attachment to money where they don't fundamentally feel safe. And so they're continuously

Rosie (15:27)

Hmm.

Right.

Right.

Alara Sage (15:50)

trying to obtain more wealth to again, feel that sense of security. And avoidance attachment is what I was referring to where I didn't want to look at my money, right? You don't want to sit down and, and, and, or you do, but you're, you're coming at it anxious. You're coming at it where you don't really want to like, Hey money, let's have an open conversation. Right?

Rosie (16:15)

Yeah.

Alara Sage (16:15)

So again, if we I love to take the idea of money being an entity, how would you show up in that relationship? How do you show up? What would what would money say if money was an intimate partner? Would they say that you communicate well, that you show up, right? That you listen, right? Or would money say that you're like, no, no, no, I don't want to hear about it.

Rosie (16:21)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Oooooh

Alara Sage (16:40)

I don't want to hear about it. I don't want to have this conversation, you know, and you get up and leave or whatever that is.

Rosie (16:47)

So true. I'm curious, where do you think our relationship with money comes from? Is it something we're innately born with? Is it something we're taught? Where does it come from?

Alara Sage (16:59)

It's, yeah, mean, you know, our ancestral energies, ancestral beliefs, it's now proven to get passed down genetically. So that's one way. And then, you know, we do have particular lessons that we're here to learn in this life that really stem from, you know, I believe in past lives, et cetera, stem within these karmic propensities that we're here to resolve and learn for ourself. So that comes into

Rosie (17:08)

Mm.

Alara Sage (17:24)

you know, our astrological blueprint, our human design, these things, and they're meant to teach us, and then absolutely, you know, society. And those first seven years of your life, your brainwaves are low. You have low brainwaves. You're just literally absorbing information. You're like a computer that everything that's coming in, you are stirring away into your hard drive, right? And so you don't even realize that you're being programmed.

and the subconscious level. all of that creates these belief structures within our bodies and within our subconscious mind.

Rosie (18:01)

It's so incredibly powerful when we look back at our, you know, I call it our money narrative, right? We create these stories and just these beliefs we don't even think about. I, you know, over the past couple of years, I've kind of been reflecting on my relationship with money. I was always quite confident. Like I've got a great relationship with money. yeah. But I don't know.

There's some, there are definitely, there are limiting beliefs there. And as soon as you start to confront them and go, where the heck did that come from? I think we're really good at getting in our own way. Not on purpose. I don't think we want to get in our own way, but how do we start to work through some of our limiting beliefs?

Alara Sage (18:29)

hahahaha

Again, awareness is huge. why do we get in our own way? We get in our own way because it's a lot power, as I love to quote Spider-Man. Spider-Man says, with great power comes great responsibility. A lot of us think we want more money, and on some level we do. But we don't necessarily consider that when you have more money, there's more responsibility there.

Rosie (19:03)

He

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Alara Sage (19:20)

Same with personal power. And how we go about this is, of course, first the awareness piece, right? Having these contemplations. Like you said, your money story, your money narrative, what is that, right? What was your experience in your family? How did your parents speak about money? What were those early impressions, right? And then what had been your experience with money through your life?

Rosie (19:38)

Mm-hmm.

Alara Sage (19:45)

There's so many different ways that you can contemplate questions, inquire to really come to these beliefs. And then it's really about seeing, yeah, where are these beliefs showing up, right, in your current life? And what are those habits, those patterns that you're choosing? Because it's the action. The actions we take are how we bring those limiting beliefs into physical reality, right? And we're only working from our conscious mind

Rosie (19:56)

Hmm

Alara Sage (20:13)

95 % of the day, 95 % of the day, your subconscious mind is driving your car.

Rosie (20:16)

my god.

Mmm, wow.

Alara Sage (20:25)

So if you're not continuously pausing and slowing down and saying, know, wait, right? How am I feeling right now? How am I feeling when I go to look at my bank account? What happens in my body? What are the feelings? What are the emotions that arise? Right? Slowing way down and then noticing those habits, Of how do you receive money? What are the habits around receiving money? What are the habits around holding on to money, saving money?

Rosie (20:31)

Mm.

Mm.

Alara Sage (20:50)

What are your habits around spending money? And then you can start to say, OK, what are those habits? And then what of those habits do I want to let go of? No longer serve me. And then you can set about rewiring yourself through new habits and new patterns. But it definitely takes awareness, slowing down, becoming conscious in your relationship.

Rosie (20:50)

Mm.

Mm.

Mmm.

Mmm.

Alara Sage (21:17)

to money on a regular basis.

Rosie (21:19)

Mmm.

So how long does this take? One week?

Alara Sage (21:26)

Absolutely, you'll be all good.

Rosie (21:32)

If only, right? But I think you're right. That awareness piece is huge. We just kind of plow through life. But if we slow down and start questioning things and just reflecting on our journey and it's like, hey, where did that belief come from that money is evil? Where did that belief come from that I six months of savings before I can dare spend money on myself?

It can be very, very confronting, I think. Like I'm still on that journey. Like I can think of one example, know, up, going into debt was this evil thing.

Like whatever you do, you can't go into debt ever. That somehow was this money story I picked up through the conversations my parents were having and the importance of saving. You've got to save, save, save, save, save. And there's a budget and you have to stick to it. And it's really stressful if you go a dollar over all these things. And, you know, that money was very tit for tat. Like if I pay this much, you pay me this much. And all of those things, there's so much there.

And even just admitting to myself that they're not necessarily correct or true. Like I really have grappled with that. It's like, okay, yeah, just because they were my parents' beliefs, who I love very much, doesn't mean they need to be mine and doesn't mean they were necessarily healthy beliefs. The question I want to ask you, very loaded question, but if money isn't the root of all evil,

Is money the opposite of that? Does it lead to happiness?

Alara Sage (23:11)

Money is neutral. But money is an amplifier.

Rosie (23:17)

Mm-hmm.

Alara Sage (23:18)

So money will amplify what already exists. If you're a generous person, money will amplify generosity. If you are greedy, money will amplify greed. If you're self-centered, money will amplify self-centeredness. If you're heart-centered, money will amplify that.

Rosie (23:23)

you

That's a scary thought. To me? Yeah.

Alara Sage (23:38)

Well, that's one of the reasons why

we simultaneously want it and subconsciously push it away.

Rosie (23:47)

Hmm. So tell me more about this concept of wealth consciousness, because before meeting you, I had never heard of it. So I'm assuming many of the listeners don't know what we're talking about when we say wealth consciousness.

Alara Sage (24:03)

So mean, wealth consciousness is about being conscious of your relationship to wealth and choosing, right? Choosing to have, from my perspective, a loving relationship.

Rosie (24:09)

Mmm.

Alara Sage (24:15)

I like to say be in love with money be in a loving relationship with money again not this attachment to it that you need it and it holds all the value and it holds your worth but from this place of I can receive money in love I can save money in love I can spend money in love that is a loving relationship with money

Rosie (24:25)

Right, right.

Hmm. This is huge. I just wish it was easy to get to that place, but I suppose if it was easy, would it really be worth it?

Alara Sage (24:50)

Well, and you know, this is really where we are in humanity. This is one of the core lessons that we're learning. So the journey in this is about us learning this and, you know, letting go of these generations and generations upon generations, because great question that just came through. Did it work for them? Right. Did it work? Did all these beliefs that we've been carrying for hundreds and

Did it work for humanity? Has humanity been in a state of abundance? No. Right? So do we keep doing the same thing that hasn't been working? Or do we choose to do something different?

Rosie (25:15)

Yeah.

Mmm, yeah.

Yeah, a question I like to ask myself is, well, who is this serving? Who is this belief I have around money actually serving? Is it serving me? Is it serving the other people around me? Often it's doing the opposite.

Alara Sage (25:39)

Absolutely. Yes. Very disempowering. The beliefs are very disempowering for all of us.

Rosie (25:41)

Mmm.

So I'm not a parent, but I have a question because I think there's a lot of listeners are in their 40s and a lot of them have children, possibly grown up, right, and moving out. But do you have any thoughts on how we can raise our children to start asking these questions and perhaps have a more healthy relationship with money?

Alara Sage (26:12)

I have two boys, nine and 11, and I'm just very, I mean, this is what I do. teach this stuff, right? So it's who I am, but I just have these conversations with my boys telling them, yeah, when I grew up, there was all these conversations about this is expensive. We don't have the money for that. We can't afford that. And so even if I find myself saying that out loud, kind of by accident, I'll like turn to them and laugh and like,

Rosie (26:16)

Mm.

Yeah, yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Alara Sage (26:40)

There it goes, right? There's that program literally coming out of my mouth. So in this moment, I get to say, is that really what I wanted to say? Is that really what I believe? And so I do it in time with them. I teach them. I show them that we are in the process of changing these ideas. And this is how you go about changing it and having these conversations with them about money.

Rosie (26:51)

Mmm.

I love that.

Alara Sage (27:08)

Continuously bringing in this you know this what is it? What do you want to believe right? What do you want to believe? This is what I'm trying to believe. What do you want to believe?

Rosie (27:15)

Mmm... Mmm...

love that you're empowering them to, yeah, create their own money story and ask those questions from a very young age, which as a consequence is going to make it easier as they, as they're adults and you know, facing big decisions. I don't know, could be getting a credit card or thinking about buying a home or an expensive car or just grocery shopping. know, like this, you know, you mentioned you said, we can't afford this.

and you pulled yourself up and kind of had the conversation. This is something a lot of people say. And I can imagine some people might push back and go, well, Alara, can't afford it. Why wouldn't I say it? So what do you say to those people?

Alara Sage (28:03)

Well, I'm all about, you know, how do I want to see it? I'm all about reframing, not from a place of trying to be, you know, positive and fluffy. But again, like how do I want to see my reality? Because how you see your reality is how you experience it. The perception of your reality is literally going to be your exact experience. So most of the time, and of course this, you know, varies on the topic, but a lot of times when people say just kind of throwing it out there, I can't afford that.

Rosie (28:12)

Right.

Alara Sage (28:30)

Really what they're saying is it's not a priority.

Rosie (28:34)

Oooooh

Alara Sage (28:35)

And so I will say that to my boys when they're like, let's do that. And I'm like, yeah, don't want to spend money on that right now. That's not a priority to me instead of I can't afford it.

Rosie (28:43)

Mmm, that's

a powerful reframe. Yeah. What's your advice to people?

who are struggling. They're working hard for money. It's really challenging for them to meet rent or be able to afford groceries. they're in a tough place. What would your advice be to them?

Alara Sage (29:07)

First and foremost, I want to express my compassion because I mean, I've been in debt. I've been in the red where every month I'm coming up red. And we all have our own version of these challenges in life. And they're real. And I want to say that. None of this conversation is dismissing anybody's experience.

Rosie (29:11)

Mmm.

Mm.

Yeah.

Alara Sage (29:36)

And when I've worked with people and helped them to uncover these limiting beliefs, it's really magical how it transforms their lives and how new opportunities, new availability show up, whether they're employed and new opportunities, new jobs arise, or they're entrepreneurs and new clients show up.

Rosie (29:56)

Mm.

Alara Sage (30:03)

This work is no short of magic. When we do this, this is this internal work. It's magical. You know, my partner and I had an experience where he, we moved back to Colorado and he got, you know, $15,000 to move. And very shortly after being here, he didn't like the job he was in. I could feel it. And, you know, I spoke to him about it he's like, yeah, I just, and I said, well then quit, you know, and we knew that, okay, well we would be.

Rosie (30:24)

Mm.

Alara Sage (30:30)

liable for that $15,000, right? Because he hadn't worked there for the contract of the year. And literally, like after we had this conversation, we're putting it into the field, right? The energetic field. He gets laid off. His position is dissolved. And they literally say to us, you don't owe us anything.

And you know, this stuff didn't happen to me before, you know, when I didn't have this loving relationship with money, it would have been quite the opposite and same for him. So just remember that our reality is created from these beliefs. And just because you can't see the beliefs, just because you don't know what the beliefs are, doesn't mean that they don't exist. So like the beautiful part of this

Rosie (31:14)

Yeah.

Alara Sage (31:17)

is that you have the choice, you have the power, you have the power to start to change this for yourself. That power doesn't exist in the government, it doesn't exist in the banks, it's literally here within yourself.

Rosie (31:31)

Mm-hmm.

It is amazing how when you put something out into the universe, all these opportunities, your things seem to come your way. Like just by opening your mind and your heart, like you and your partner had that conversation and then, you know, you accept it. Okay, we're going to have to pay this money back, but that's okay. It's, know, happiness is important. And then they get laid off. And what do you know? You don't know the money. And that's not to say,

That's going to happen every time, right? That's not what you're saying.

Alara Sage (32:05)

No, that's there's no formula like that. But, you know, the point being is in that moment, we weren't creating our future from lack and scarcity. Right. Even though, you know, in perfect transparency, we didn't have 15 grand just to give away, give back to them. You know, that wasn't just like, yeah, totally. So. But but in that moment, we were no, we're good. We're we're safe, we're secure.

Rosie (32:06)

Right! Fondly!

Mm-mm.

Right, right.

Alara Sage (32:33)

right, which is that fundamental core belief. And like you said, your happiness matters more than us having to pay this money back. So we were creating from that place of empowerment, not from a place of lack and scarcity. Like, no, you can't, you can't quit. What are you thinking? We'd have to pay them $15,000. Where would we, we can't, no, you can't do that. You've got to just stay on for the next year at least, right? You have to do that.

Rosie (32:34)

Mm.

Mm.

Right! Yes!

Yes! Yes!

Alara Sage (33:02)

That would be that scarcity energy. And, you know, your energy creates your reality.

Rosie (33:05)

Mm-hmm.

And I hear people saying this all the time. You just got to stick it out. You know, that's the way life is. You just got to stick this out. You don't have a choice. as you know, the choice is just totally removed and it's so sad. I find it heartbreaking to see people stuck in that space. And something I'd like your input on is is there anything we can do to support people around us who are

Alara Sage (33:13)

Yeah. Yeah.

Yes.

Rosie (33:37)

acting from a place of fear and scarcity. Can we support them or is it a journey they need to go through on their own?

Alara Sage (33:45)

I always think the best way to support people is through being that yourself and holding, cause it's really like holding up a mirror. You know, that's why we have inspirational people in, in humanity, right? That's why pipe people inspire us because they're holding up a mirror of, know, this is possible for you. You know, there's, endless stories of people who had horrible childhoods, right?

Rosie (33:51)

Mm-hmm.

Alara Sage (34:10)

It wasn't like the luck was in their hand, right? They weren't fed this. And yet they overcame all of it. So it's possible for all of us. And when we embody that, then we help others to see that it's possible. And the way that you talk about money when you're around those people is going to

Rosie (34:14)

you

Hmmmm

Alara Sage (34:35)

Even if it doesn't seem like they're hearing you, it's amazing the power of words. And so I really recommend that type of approach rather than trying to tell somebody. And you know, usually when you're living that vibration, you'll people will ask you, especially people close to you, you know.

Rosie (34:42)

Hmm.

Alara Sage (34:57)

And they'll open up and they'll ask. And then that's your invitation to say, yeah, like, let me help you. Right. Because the invitation has been presented. Otherwise, you know, we're preaching, right? We're out there. And that isn't always the best method because a lot of times when we go around preaching, people just immediately put up protective walls.

Rosie (35:06)

Mmm... Mmm...

Fright.

Yeah!

Yes, yes, yeah. I know for me in the past, that's my default. I'll preach and I'm excited about it and passionate and I'm trying to convince them this is the way. And I have to keep relearning that lesson. It just doesn't work. So I really doesn't work. I don't know why I keep, you know, defaulting to that sometimes. Like, here we go again, Rosie. But I love what you're saying about if you model it, they're gonna pick up on that. And as you say,

Alara Sage (35:30)

Yeah. Yes.

Hahaha!

Rosie (35:51)

they could come and ask you and there's that invitation then to start educating or supporting them more directly than just the role modeling. So that's, I think that's really helpful. Very much so.

Alara Sage (36:03)

Yeah. What people need most

is to be loved as they are.

Rosie (36:08)

Ugh. Mm. Mm.

Alara Sage (36:11)

they need.

So when we can keep our hearts open, when we hear people who are speaking things that we know don't serve them, when when they say things that we don't agree with, right, that's our invitation to keep our heart open and just love them.

Rosie (36:23)

Mm-hmm.

Mmm. That's a beautiful message.

What about people?

who don't consider themselves spiritual. Because you're a very spiritual person. I think they can still change their mindset and beliefs and their money narrative. What if there's a bit of resistance going on here? Yeah, what would you say?

Alara Sage (36:53)

Yes, I mean.

Mindset isn't spiritual. They're proving this more and more biologically. Our cells actually receive our belief structures. So when you are having thoughts, you are programming yourselves. That is a biological truth.

Rosie (37:02)

Yeah. Right.

Alara Sage (37:14)

So there's so much already in the space of science, understanding, mindset, and even belief structures. That is not spiritual at all. Emotions are not spiritual. When you have a belief, when you have a thought that triggers a, trigger a chemical reaction in your body called an emotion, that is,

Rosie (37:22)

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Alara Sage (37:42)

biology. So again, you this process is really about how do I feel when I sit down and look at my it's not most of this process is not spiritual. Yes, I speak to the energy of it because that's all another subtle layer that you can address but you can come at it fully 100 % biologically and absolutely have outcomes and you know really find out.

Rosie (37:43)

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Mm-mm.

Alara Sage (38:11)

this is all proven and just becoming more and even the energy is already being proven NASA has so many recent reports around this kind of stuff but I understand that as well.

Rosie (38:19)

Right. Yeah.

And I love that you've unpacked that because some people are, they need the logic and the science and anything that's a little bit more, a little less tangible, they might resist. So I think that's important for people to know. No matter where you are on the spiritual spectrum, you can still change your relationship with money for the better.

Alara Sage (38:51)

Absolutely, And one thing that keeps coming in that I want to say, kind of was back to our, this is very scientific, back to the 5 % of your day that you're working from your conscious mind. When you go into thought, your awareness turns inward and your subconscious mind is the one driving the car. I mean, how many times have we all driven home and been like, whoa.

Rosie (38:53)

Mmm.

Mm-mm.

Alara Sage (39:15)

I don't remember the last how many miles, how many minutes, because you went into thought, you turned your awareness inward and your subconscious mind was then carrying out the motions. So I want to leave the audience with the, know, how often are you up in thought throughout your day? And if you're up in thought throughout the majority of your day,

Rosie (39:17)

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mmm.

Alara Sage (39:40)

Who is driving the car? Who's at the helm of your ship? And what are the beliefs that that part of yourself holds, right? So through the awareness of the contemplation, the awareness of your emotions, you become aware of that part of yourself that is driving your car, driving your ship when you're up in thought. And that's very powerful because most people are up in thought.

Rosie (39:44)

you

Alara Sage (40:09)

the majority of the day.

Rosie (40:11)

This is so true. It's so obvious when you said it, but I'm like, huh, yeah. It's fascinating. This is giving me a lot to think about and I love it so much. And money, it's such a big part of our lives, whether we like it or not, we can't really get away from it. So why are we running away? I think a lot of us are running away from it.

Alara Sage (40:40)

That's such a great question, right? Because, you know, even in like the spiritual spirituality realm where they're for a while, everybody was like, you're not allowed to charge for services. You're offering spiritual, you know, and it's like, well, you know, sorry to break it to you, but our world is a money world right now, right? So currently.

Rosie (40:48)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

It is, yeah.

Alara Sage (41:04)

It is what we use as an exchange. And just as you said, you cannot hide from it. So why not create a good relationship? That's like living with somebody that you think is evil, right? And, you know, isn't doing anything necessarily to show you that they're evil. And you're just going to keep tiptoeing around them and pretending like they don't exist in your apartment or your house, right? Like, why would you do that? Either, you know, get a new roommate, right?

Rosie (41:27)

That's ridiculous! What the heck?

Alara Sage (41:34)

or like approach them and talk, like do something.

Rosie (41:36)

Yeah.

Right. Come on, address the issue. I've got a question. It's probably a bit out of the blue, but something I hear comes up a lot in conversation. And I think it's tied to the belief that money is evil. We'll see people in the media or we'll know people who have inherited money and people

Alara Sage (41:39)

You

Rosie (41:59)

say, they're a trust fund, you know, they're less than, or they've just been given this money and that's, yes, there is privilege there, but the way we see them is in such a negative light. What do you think around that?

Alara Sage (42:16)

So that's a really great question. I've never been asked anything like that. what comes through is, you know, oftentimes, like I was connecting to earlier, we don't see other people's challenges, particularly from our own lens of challenge. So if you're somebody who has issues with weight, you'll look at skinny people and say, gee, they just have it so frickin easy, don't they? Right? So whatever

Rosie (42:29)

Mmm.

Mmm.

Alara Sage (42:45)

another person has just naturally that is really challenging for us. We have that resentment, you know, we don't have to have that resentment. We can choose to see it and realize that actually the resentment is towards ourself. We're just projecting it on to those other people because that feels safe. We can project it onto those other people. We don't have to really look at, Hey, guess what?

Rosie (42:55)

Mmm.

Alara Sage (43:13)

It actually is self resentment that hurts so much more than saying, just, that's just, it's just that person. that person just drives me nuts. You know, that creates a sense of safety in it. It like kind of like energetically gets that resentment temporarily out of our body, because when we see those people, they trigger us. They trigger that resentment towards ourself. And so we immediately throw it at them so that we don't have to feel it.

Rosie (43:18)

Yes.

Mmm.

Yes, yes.

yeah, it's almost like holding a mirror up. So really when we have those reactions, when we're triggered, that's the perfect moment to look in and kind of go, huh, why do I have that belief? I could keep talking about this for a very long time, but I am mindful. There's just so much to money, so, so much. But question I want to ask you.

Alara Sage (43:45)

That's exactly what it is. Yes.

Why?

Ha ha ha!

is.

Rosie (44:06)

And it's a tradition on the podcast, something I ask everybody is what does freedom mean to you?

Alara Sage (44:13)

Freedom to me is an internal state of being. So when we have that sense of security, what I call wealth embodiment, when we have that fundamentally within ourselves, when we choose freedom, we create it. And then it's really, what does that mean to us? Some people, freedom is time. Some people, freedom is travel. But it's a vibration. It's a felt sense.

Rosie (44:16)

Mm.

Alara Sage (44:38)

that you can actually connect to anywhere at any time. You could be in prison, and you could connect to and embody the experience of freedom. And you would feel and experience freedom.

Rosie (44:52)

Yeah. I don't think freedom is a tangible thing. And I also don't think, I'd love to hear if you agree, I don't think that money buys us freedom. We're not guaranteed freedom because we have money.

Alara Sage (45:07)

No, and that's a codependency.

Rosie (45:10)

yeah.

Alara Sage (45:11)

But if I have money, I'll be free. Again, that's putting the power in the money. Because then you'll never feel safe, even if you have money. But if you lose your money, you'll lose your freedom. Whereas you learn to establish that in your body, regardless of how much money you have, that can never be taken from you.

Rosie (45:23)

Mmm.

Yeah.

Alara Sage (45:32)

And that's embodiment.

Rosie (45:34)

If you had a take home message for our listeners, if they get nothing else out of this episode, the most important or one of the most important things they could know, what do you want them to leave with?

Alara Sage (45:45)

learn to have a loving relationship with money.

Rosie (45:50)

Learn to have a loving relationship with money. Wow, wow, wow. Alara thank you so much. This has been such a stimulating conversation and it's got myself asking questions and thinking about things and it's morning here for me. So this is just a great way to start my day. And I want to say thank you so much for being.

so generous with your time and your wisdom and your insights. I'm so, grateful.

Alara Sage (46:20)

Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me here and beautiful space, these awesome questions and just this interaction has been very enjoyable for me.

Rosie (46:30)

Thank you.